Board Gives Nod to Two Rivers School Plan

The board of education voted in favor of a concept plan for an elementary school south of the Waugh Chapel Towne Centre.

The Anne Arundel County Board of Education voted in favor of a concept plan for a new developer-funded elementary school, allowing the school system to enter into negotiations with the builders of the Preserve at Two Rivers project.

By a 5-4 vote, the board gave a nod to plans by Koch Homes and Classic Communities Corp. to construct a $38 million elementary school just south of the Waugh Chapel Towne Centre.

School officials are now permitted to enter into negotiations for a construction agreement.

The school board was not originally scheduled to vote on the plan Wednesday. But after hearing testimony from school and community officials, members asked that it be brought to a vote. They narrowly approved the measure, with board president Andrew Pruski and members Stacy Korbelak, Deborah Ritchie and Teresa Milio Birge casting “no” votes. The five other board members said they believed the school would help the school system deal with a growing student population without taking on new construction costs.

“What is the downside? I’m looking at a $38 million elementary school when we need facilities,” said board member Patricia Nalley.

Developers have proposed building the elementary school to accommodate 2,060 new homes at the Preserve at Two Rivers. School system leaders had endorsed the plan because the school would also accommodate students from other future developments nearby.

“I do honestly believe, both as an individual and an employee of this school district that this school will provide an immense benefit,” chief operating Alex Szachnowicz said.

School officials said the matter will come to the board again before any construction can take place.

“There will be multiple opportunities for this board to reconsider,” Szachnowicz said.

Some members of the community, including representatives of Piney Orchard, had opposed the plan and urged the board to postpone their vote until at least September. They have raised a series of concerns, including impact of a proposed extension of Evergreen Road, proximity to industrial operations, and the potential for long bus routes.

Jeff Andrade, president of the Piney Orchard Community Association, urged the board to postpone a vote because some community groups, including the Greater Crofton Council, had not been formally briefed on the plan. Meanwhile, the Forks of the Patuxent Improvement Association (FOTPIA) remained in negotiations with the developers regarding changes in the covenant agreements to lift an age-restriction on the homes.

There is some debate over what that current covenant agreement allows. Pages 5 and 6 of the covenant agreement state that the age-restriction can be lifted only if the development complies with RA zoning, which only allows for one home for every 20 acres. But Michael Leahy, an attorney for the developers, said that if a new deal isn't reached, the developers can still move forward with homes complying with uses allowed in R1 zoning.

Developers and school officials are scheduled to meet with FOTPIA on Aug. 27.

“To try and ram this through to a vote is not in the best interests of the county,” said Andrade. “This issue is not ripe.”

For comprehensive coverage of the Two Rivers proposal, check out the Two Rivers Topics Page.

Patrick H. September 06, 2012 at 08:57 PM
Two sides to everything Mr. Mayor. I'm not sure I would have supported any of this 25 years ago. Simply enforcement of current laws and regulations would have taken the air out of a lot of this in the beginning.
Stephen K. September 06, 2012 at 10:49 PM
Patrick H....I couldn't agree with you more. It certainly seems as if there is a closer than usual relationship between the Editor and certain posters. And, if you're looking for impact on HOA decisions, you've come to the wrong place. Piney Orchard is run by one individual who has been put in his/her place by the owners of the apartment buildings in the community and subsequently appointed, or had elected by those same apartment owners, other Board members who drink his/her Kool-Aid. This person runs with an iron fist and has been known to be rude and condescending to citizens who express concerns with certain issues. There is virtually no way for members of the HOA to provide meaningful input into HOA decisions. Quite sad. But, it all has to do with how the HOA by-laws were written. Que sera, sera!
Jeff Andrade September 06, 2012 at 11:30 PM
Scott and Ron, wouldn't it just be easier for you two guys to exchange numbers and talk on the phone, instead of going through these charades? Or maybe you can just go out to a quiet dinner together...
Patrick H. September 06, 2012 at 11:45 PM
%Stephen K. Jeff apparently only does what the homeowners allow him to do. It appears as if there are enough homeowners that, if they decided to vote, could remove him and anyone else they choose to remove. The apathy and laziness of the homeowners is what concerns me. Who wants to live in an HOA where the sheep allow themselves to be led to the slaughter house? It is plain to see from his recenlty posted comment to Ron and Scott that he would rather put forward innuendos suggesting get-to-gethers than answer or address any of the questions put forward to him by you, me, Scott, Chris, David and others. Like all politicians they tend to change the subject rather than answer the question. It is best just not to respond to individuals like this. The real issue remains those that allow him to remain in office. I'm just saying.
Dave September 07, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Scott, Ron, It makes me sad that people such as yourselves would take time out of your day to promote a cause that is going to bring hardship to your neighbors. Words mean things - sometimes they can be used to harm instead of help.
Dave September 07, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Daniel, On a non-Piney Orchard-related topic, do you have an opinion on the WB&A trail? Do you think it should be completed to Bowie on the existing easement, or do you think the alternative route proposed by the Two Rivers developers is more fair to the existing land owners in the area?
Chris W September 07, 2012 at 12:58 AM
There are a number of people on either side of the issue who are neither axe grinders nor trolls. It's interesting that some folks are so eager to marginalize and dismiss those with whom they disagree. I readily admit that the manner in which some of the posters make their point is poorly executed, and at time borders on abusive. I Submit that they are the exception, rather than the rule.
Patrick H. September 07, 2012 at 01:33 AM
I agree. The minority ruins it for the majority. The sad part is that those in the minority usually get the majority of the coverage. Dismissing those that you disagree with is one thing. Refusing to address the issues/questions and preventing them from speaking is not what this country is about (or at least I hope not). I watch for those that ask questions while refusing to answer any. If we them we win. Yes to the new road, yes to the new school, yes to the members of the School Board that voted for what they thought was best, and yes to a properly monitored and enforced land fill.
Patrick H. September 07, 2012 at 01:34 AM
I haven't heard about the proposed change to the B & A trail. What information is out there? How would the proposal change anything and are the developers now offering to pay for this?
Patrick H. September 07, 2012 at 01:37 AM
I noticed a typo in my last response. The last sentence at the end of the 1st paragraph should have said: If we ignore them we win. Sorry
Daniel Roberson September 07, 2012 at 04:37 PM
Dave I think the trail is a bad idea all together.Has anything good ever happen on it in Severna Park!!! And they want to hook up to PG County. What I've seen it is going on Wilsontown side of Two Rivers then down Conway to hook up with the existing trail.Never going into or on Two Rivers property.My neighbor works at Rutledge Elementry or something like that on RT. 197.He has told me the kids there can't wait for it. So they can come across the river to get here..And then to you.
Scott DiBiasio September 07, 2012 at 06:15 PM
Unless you have factual knowledge on which to base your claims that people are using fake names, aliases, trolliases, etc., I STRONGLY suggest that you quit accusing people. I, for one, can tell you that I only post on here using my real name.
Patrick H. September 07, 2012 at 07:34 PM
%Scott - I suggest you simply ignor Jeff. If he is going to continue to comment about Ron and Ron has had 'been kicked off' the PATCH I hope that Ron files both civil and criminal complaints against Jeff and the PATCH for conspiracy to commit libel in that Ron would be unable to respond to those comments. If the time comes that you believe that Jeff, or anyone, is violating your rights I suggest you not respond and feed into their behavior and just file suit or apply for a restraining order. I am not an attorney but I stayed at a Holiday Inn once. If Jeff is an example of what Piney Orchard has to offer I'll live elsewhere? Why do people put up with him? I still haven't seen him answer any of the questions that anyone has put forth to him. Have you? What do the rest of you commentators have to say about this? Are Jeff's comments in line with this article or just a personal attack on others so that he can avoid responding to legitimate concerns and questions? Why aren't you complaining to Mr Lemke and the PATCH higher ups? All him to get away with this and rest assured he'll come after you next. I'm just saying.
Patrick H. September 07, 2012 at 07:53 PM
%Daniel - interesting take on the B & A Trail. Have there been problems at that school that we should be aware of? Do you really believe that the trail would be used as a haven for stalkers and muggers as well or just a possible escape route for undesirables. This sounds as if your advocating some type of segregation. What is the real issue here so that I can make an informed decision? TOLERANCE - PASS IT ON
Jeff Andrade September 07, 2012 at 09:17 PM
Patrick H. are you stating as a matter of fact that the writings made under your account "Patrick H" were not made by Ronald Grossman? If not, what is your full name?
Karen Q. September 07, 2012 at 10:49 PM
The chutzpah of some people is quite remarkable. The President of POCA is asking someone to positively identify themselves. I hope you all will remember this when this person runs for political office. You might want to call him Sheriff Arpaio.
Dave September 07, 2012 at 11:08 PM
Daniel, please ignore the trolls (ron, scott, patrick, "mayor"). I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts on that topic.
Chris W September 08, 2012 at 12:47 AM
So PG county elementary school students are going to ride up the trail on their bikes to rob us? Wow. All I can say is wow.
Patrick H. September 08, 2012 at 01:03 AM
% Karen Q. - Thank you commenting. Aren't you afraid of being asked for your full name? How about your address? I'm not sure what the real agenda here is but just as Dave put it: ignore "the trolls". What is a troll? And why is Dave now listing names without proof of identity? Until the President of POCA answers the questions put to him by commentators why would others answer his? Sad that Piney Orchard residents don't exercise their voting rights and remove him. POCA's president putting HOA homeowners at risk by personally attacking an individual that, according to Jeff, may be allowed to comment. Just a political tactic = if you cann't attack message then attack the messanger. The President of POCA identifying a commentator by first and last name in what appears an attempt to create a lynch mob mentality. Is he so brazen that he dares making public other information about this individual that could put a commentator's safety, and that of his family, at jeopardy? How about we all just stick to the issues and stop making it personal? Where is the editor Mr. Lemke during all of this? Isn't it his job and that of the PATCH, to stop this? Dave - please reread the comment made by Daniel and tell me how you think it came across. Who is coming across the river in order to 'get me'? The issue should be better lighting and more police patrols. Maybe even some type of outreach program. "They" can come across the river and visit me any time. Isn't this is America?
Jeff Andrade September 08, 2012 at 01:07 AM
Surprise surprise. Another negative comment on this thread from a brand new account (tonight) without a full name. Troll detector is going off. How do they keep all their fake troll accounts straight?
Jeff Andrade September 08, 2012 at 01:20 AM
"Patrick H" why are you avoiding the question? Have the writings made under the account "Patrick H" been made, as a matter of fact, by Ronald Grossman? It is just a yes or a no answer.
Karen Q. September 08, 2012 at 01:41 AM
Give up, Jeff. You're WAY out of line here, boss. There is absolutely nothing that requires anyone to identify themselves to you, to Patch, or to anyone. People are entitled to their opinions and have absolutely no obligation to identify themselves or to take personal responsibility for their comments. Have you ever been on CNN.com, washingtonpost.com the Capital website, or any other public forum? I'm not sure I've seen anyone yet post with their real name. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. All I know is...You're way out of line by asking people to identify themselves! YOU should be banned from Patch for harassing posters who may, or may not, agree with you, your opinions, or your tactics. Hitler did the same thing...tried to eradicate those that didn't agree with him by calling them out! You have absolutely NOTHING to back up your accusations comments that people are using fake accounts...and so what if they are...deal with it bra! God forbid you ever run for political office because each and every one of these comments will be made public, as will your aversion to constituent service!
Jeff Andrade September 08, 2012 at 02:22 AM
"Karen Q" obvious troll account opened tonight. Have to wonder why grown men want to impersonate themselves as women online. We know your tactics and have seen the behavior before after you were banned in other online venues. Get yourself some lives boys. Your behavior is pitiful.
Karen Q. September 08, 2012 at 02:35 AM
Which would you prefer, Jeff? Colby, brie, guyere, or castelo branco?
Jeff Andrade September 08, 2012 at 02:42 AM
None for me, thanks. Sounds like one of us is already pretty far into the wine tonight (again). And I haven't had anything to drink.
Patrick H. September 08, 2012 at 03:41 AM
%Karen Q. - Don't lower yourself Jeff's level. His rantings are the best thing that has happened to Piney Orchard. Even his backers are backing away from him. His animosity and anger are escalating and he is self-destructing. I agree completley with your assessment of the situation and wonder why commentators are not filing formal complaints with The PATCH (a google search will show you how to complain to corporate HQ) about him and Mr. Lemke's refusal to protect the integrity of this blog. If I see one more attack I will have my attorneies deal with it. It's unfortunate that his rantings have diminished any and everything he may have said about the new development, the roads, the proposed school, the B & A trail and other issues that were the point of this article. He apparently believes everyone is out to get him thus his focus on accessing 'troll accounts'. What is a troll? Do you think that a formal complaint to the POCA Board of Directors and served on POCAs attorney would warrant a story by Mr. Lemke? Ignore Jeff and file a complaint with PATCH Corporate in NYC if you want to put him in his place. Until he responds to the questions asked of him he doesn't deserve a response to his questions. Do you really think Hitler is a good comparison to Jeff? How does everyone else feel about this? Take care, have a great weekend and let's work together to have real fairness. God Bless
Patrick H. September 08, 2012 at 07:21 PM
For those that have not heard Senator Rosapepp and a member of the school board are scheduled to be at the Waugh Chapel Safeway from 1-3 tomorrow. I am not sure which school board member will be there but I believe it is one that lives in Piney Orchard. It might be interesting to stop by and let them know your feelings on the Board Vote and just whom they are being pressured by. Also a good time to ask the Senator what his rationale was for voting for the casino at National Harbor when statistics show it will cost AA County 24 million is projected revenues.
Karen Q. September 09, 2012 at 02:23 PM
That's great Patrick H. How convenient of him to be at a location that is not even in his legislative district on a football Sunday between 1 and 3. I can think of about 1,000 better things that I can be doing on Sunday between 1 and 3, including watching the Redskins lose.
Patrick H. September 09, 2012 at 09:31 PM
I've always trusted Jim and his delegation in the past. Although it appears as if we here in AA County are being treated as step-children and allowing our pockets to be picked so that PG can be favored I am sure Jim will come through with a reasonable explanation. I've been wrong in the past about whom I've put my trust and faith in - I hope I'm not wrong about Jim. I'm waiting to hear from him via a written statement to all of us.
Patrick H. September 09, 2012 at 11:51 PM
%Karen Q. - I've know Jim for a long time and he, as well as other frineds of mine, were one of the reasons I decided to re-locate to this area. Let's hope he has an understandable answer.


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